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Technical, Fundamental basis for trading
Ericsson
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:53:16 PM
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KCB and Scan Group are the shares to be watched keenly as their prices are going to rise sharply.Applause
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
MaichBlack
#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:55:12 PM
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Based on?

I miss SK days - almost everyone used to support their point of view/allegations/forecast with facts. These manenos of buy! buy! buy!, sell! sell! sell!, These stocks will go up/down by Friday/next month/whenever - without a basis - is so tiring and in my opinion utterly useless!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
simonkabz
#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:30:19 PM
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Very insulting....to the intelligent of wazuans, as if they cant comprehend a simple analytical xplanation...
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
MaichBlack
#4 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:37:47 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Very insulting.

Me or @Ericsson? If it is my post you find insulting, I apologize. That was not the intent. I was just trying to say, if I tell people to buy stock x and/or sell stock y, without telling them why, then I don't see any serious investor heeding my call. That was my point.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Karinnah
#5 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:47:58 PM
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Speculation is not wise in investment, can we have figures (EY maybe)
for enticement? Plus when intending to buy you check stocks that are stable not those rising as they might come down tomorrow!
holycow
#6 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:48:54 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Based on?

I miss SK days - almost everyone used to support their point of view/allegations/forecast with facts. These manenos of buy! buy! buy!, sell! sell! sell!, These stocks will go up/down by Friday/next month/whenever - without a basis - is so tiring and in my opinion utterly useless!

Same here, loved how guys would give supporting data, PE, EPS, general economic outlook, expansion plans, end of year unaudited results etc.
qw25041985
#7 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:01:09 PM
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For me i use technical analysis .and since very few wazuas dnt understand t.a why bother giving a full report.i go 4 small pointers that most cn chew en swallow . Hiyo 2.
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
MaichBlack
#8 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:07:46 PM
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qw25041985 wrote:
For me i use technical analysis .and since very few wazuas dnt understand t.a why bother giving a full report.i go 4 small pointers that most cn chew en swallow . Hiyo 2.

Did you just insult wazuans? Wait until some people read this!!! You'll be eaten alive! Let me reserve my comments for now.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
PKoli
#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:09:13 PM
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qw25041985 wrote:
For me i use technical analysis .and since very few wazuas dnt understand t.a why bother giving a full report.i go 4 small pointers that most cn chew en swallow . Hiyo 2.


I do not understand technical analysis, though I have a book on technical analysis. I would like interpretation of the numbers.
My 2 cents
#10 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:35:15 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
qw25041985 wrote:
For me i use technical analysis .and since very few wazuas dnt understand t.a why bother giving a full report.i go 4 small pointers that most cn chew en swallow . Hiyo 2.

Did you just insult wazuans? Wait until some people read this!!! You'll be eaten alive! Let me reserve my comments for now.

@Maich, @qw said.....very few wazuas dnt understand t.a ; this actually means that many wazuans do understand t.a

@qw can be short on English so he probably meant that wazuans do not understand t.a
sparkly
#11 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:15:12 PM
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@qw for this post i will just call lot juvenile, with no apologies
qw25041985 wrote:
For me i use technical analysis .and since very few wazuas dnt understand t.a why bother giving a full report.i go 4 small pointers that most cn chew en swallow . Hiyo 2.

Life is short. Live passionately.
sheep
#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:48:57 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Based on?

I miss SK days - almost everyone used to support their point of view/allegations/forecast with facts. These manenos of buy! buy! buy!, sell! sell! sell!, These stocks will go up/down by Friday/next month/whenever - without a basis - is so tiring and in my opinion utterly useless!



I remember SK in 2006 was no joke...it was a discussion bewteen CFAS,CPAS,economists and the like...you had to support anything u said with facts and figures.That said most of the analysis proved dung...the 'gurus' were thoroughly washed in 2008...hata siku hizi hawasikiki...I bet if the market crosses 5000pts watarudi with their 'brilliant analysis'.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
qw25041985
#13 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:18:44 PM
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The only guy who has shown 2 b a t.a guru is @hisah . And where is @njunge. Who thinks mumias will fall to 12.00 . That cn only happen in dreamland. Those who panic sold pole xana. Next time listen keenly 2 w@t i say.
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
simonkabz
#14 Posted : Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:00:58 PM
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I had a TA book, read it for 2days nikatupa towel! Blackout wajamaa..
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
sheep
#15 Posted : Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:14:31 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
I had a TA book, read it for 2days nikatupa towel! Blackout wajamaa..


he he he use basic T.A...know the resistance points,200days mva,cup and handle,saucer,flatbase,head and shoulder patterns etc...leave the complex stuff to market underperformers.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
PKoli
#16 Posted : Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:41:13 PM
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sheep wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Based on?

I miss SK days - almost everyone used to support their point of view/allegations/forecast with facts. These manenos of buy! buy! buy!, sell! sell! sell!, These stocks will go up/down by Friday/next month/whenever - without a basis - is so tiring and in my opinion utterly useless!



I remember SK in 2006 was no joke...it was a discussion bewteen CFAS,CPAS,economists and the like...you had to support anything u said with facts and figures.That said most of the analysis proved dung...the 'gurus' were thoroughly washed in 2008...hata siku hizi hawasikiki...I bet if the market crosses 5000pts watarudi with their 'brilliant analysis'.



The market has no respect for the so called experts. One of the attributes one has to have is patience. That is one the reasons WB is where he is today. Some guys who bought stocks like Bamburi, EABL, KK, KCB and even BBK in the 90s went on to grow their investments almost ten fold
slykat
#17 Posted : Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:03:37 PM
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@Pkoli

True, true, true...patience pays..

I remember another thread here where I advised some fellow unless as a career choice, he needed not waste money doing a CFA just so he can make money from NSE... some peeps roasted me.

While fundamentals are crucial in choosing based on the "current state of health" of a company... patience and timing and keeping abreast economic trends in your chosen sector will help do the trick.. technical analysis is great but it does not foresee or foretell future market reactions based on unforeseen competitor, economic, political and company management or mismanagement changes...factors that are just as crucial.

Take Safcom; who would would have foretold Zain would be bought by Bharti and then unleash a seriously funded campaign blitz and price war?

Technicals are based on the past and present mostly and favour short-termers more. No one knows whether the company will discover oil in a year or will accidentally blow up a rig and pay billions in damages.... Only time can tell for sure.

Yet the experts are essential in that they temper markets' uncertainty with a dose of reality. More importantly they can help you currently value any given stock.
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