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guru267
#61 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 12:10:27 PM
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Wamutonyi wrote:
@My2Cents;

@10 cents per share for divideds and you still tell us about shares and ownership. I shall not be cowed by these prophets of doom who think Zain and others cannot make it. It is your choice anyway, green,orange, purple or whatever. Please look for a book titled "Who moved my Cheese", its there in the net.

@wamutonyi i think you mean 20cents
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
sheep
#62 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 12:11:30 PM
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ze real casualty here iz orange,zose frenchmen cant believe zeir ill luck...zey are in frantic talks wiz Sarkozy to press GOK for more favours...seacom haitawasaidia sana,unless they eat the cable coz hoarding bandwith cant bring profits.
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
Njung'e
#63 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 12:14:41 PM
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@Wamutonyi,
It's little sense or the lack of it....If i save Kshs 5 per minute,that's dividend for 50 shares per year......F* the shares.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Wamutonyi
#64 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 12:24:36 PM
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@Njunge
Naona tuko wengi, there is always comfort in numbers. We are bigger than Safaricom and this is our time to eat and make merry. Wachana na watu wa NO, they will always poke holes to anything good or bad. Lets support Zain and vuka coz their move was very bold indeed, we have been enslaved for too long.

I vukad on day one, no regrets. We will use ZAP and develop many other products.if they think we are doomed
FundamentAli
#65 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 1:29:38 PM
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Foriegn capital vs local capital has become the order of business in this republic. I do not think anybody can go and invest in India and get a chance to recoup his money. In Kenya, foriegners come and outbid the locals in the property market, foriegners come nad buyout stratergic companies with the locals not being given a chance. Foriegner are able to do this because they have a lot of cheap capital and sometimes even get subsidies from their government. How long can we continue to be comfortable with this? At the end of the day Kenya will be doing well but Kenyans will not.
kanda
#66 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 1:45:32 PM
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@Fund
safaricom is worth about 200b! thats looks like a lot of capital to me. kenyans have been crying for lower rates, but MJ thinks thats peculiar. safaricom belongs to vodafone (largely) and the last i checked that was not a local company. in summary safaricom deserves whats coming to them (which is near total ruin). "our company" (am a shareholder) has been destroyed by the arrogance of a foreigner. at the end of the day who loses? ....am sure mobitelea has already collected their moola.
My 2 cents
#67 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 1:53:21 PM
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It will be interesting to follow this post at year end when all the dust about Zain's 3 bob is settled. I do not think the world will have moved!!!!!
2012
#68 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 2:00:31 PM
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...and down goes the share price. Zain has found and hit scom's achilles heel.

BBI will solve it
:)
qw25041985
#69 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 2:13:18 PM
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@sheep hahahahahahaha . U zi funny alot .
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
ProverB
#70 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 2:21:57 PM
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bytheway.... Yu has the same offer on calls. 5CENTS per second to all networks..
..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16
- 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
bss
#71 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 2:50:13 PM
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Mobitelea exited...
mozenrat
#72 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 3:11:19 PM
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So how come there wasn't this much hype when Orange launched their Unlimited Calls for Kshs. 100 per month...

Surely that was a better deal than anything being offered now..
Njung'e
#73 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 3:14:15 PM
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@Bss,
Ngai!!....Hiyo umetoa wapi?
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
2012
#74 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 3:25:43 PM
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ProverB wrote:


bytheway.... Yu has the same offer on calls. 5CENTS per second to all networks..


Dahhh that's the same as zain 3/- per minute said differently.Laughing out loudly

BBI will solve it
:)
the deal
#75 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 3:25:53 PM
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I wouldnt bet against Safaricom...Zain or whatever its name is will just get its fingers roasted....this strategy will lead to chronic losses...that will lead to the exit of Bharti...Safaricom is a tested horse...many have tried and failed...and whats this nosence about foreigners guys are writting here??? Blame your corrupt GoK...for accepting pirancy money..blame them for mobitelea...and who told GoK to offload their stake Scom???
MaichBlack
#76 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:00:35 PM
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mozenrat wrote:
So how come there wasn't this much hype when Orange launched their Unlimited Calls for Kshs. 100 per month...

Surely that was a better deal than anything being offered now..

Theirs was on orange to orange calls. What percentage of your phone book is "orange"? There is your answer.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
kyt
#77 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:07:11 PM
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chicks come home to roost!
LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
bss
#78 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:25:39 PM
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@Njunge

For the year ended 31 March 2009, under an agreement with Mobitelea Ventures Limited, the Vodaphone Group completed the purchase of a 5% indirect equity stake in Safaricom increasing the Group’s effective interest in Safaricom to 40%.

Fine print in that years annual report... Deal worth 2.5 Billion Kenya Shillings...
bss
#79 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:29:56 PM
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http://www.vodafone.com/..._statements/note14.html

"(5)During the year ended 31 March 2009, under an agreement with Mobitelea Ventures Limited, the Group completed the purchase of a 5% indirect equity stake in Safaricom increasing the Group’s effective interest in Safaricom to 40%. "
kanda
#80 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 6:05:11 PM
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@bss thanks for confirming that. i knew it!

some ppl here dont seem to realize that what has happened has never happened before so it is futile to try to predict what will follow based on the past. the best way is to look at scenarios:

scenario 1: safcon maintains their arrogant shareholder value crap and they get completely ruined. i mean completely! with numbers, zain can also upgrade their data and zap offers. it is not patented technology. btw m-kesho is no longer a unique service as such. other banks (not just equity) already have similar offerings. there is no reason why zain or any other operators cannot implement something similar. the strategy is in the numbers on your register (who knows that better that safaricom??)

scenario 2: safcon joins the fray and their revenue (or at least net profit margin) reduces by half. thats the better option if u ask me.

in both scenarios, shareholders are in funk. the trend that started today is the beginning of a bitter journey to hell (sorry to say).

my 2 cents
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